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I would like to start a religion < philo-monk > 2025-02-27 12:30 Based on the link below. Primarily Platonic Philosophy with a Monastic order that rebuilds the Academy. https://www.historyreligionandtruth.com/?q=faith-collaboration
i like to study religions; < 1-FellowTraveler > 2025-02-27 12:36 yet, i prefer to keep my spirit freely operating within my own psyche. -though the best to you, sincerely-
For those who do not Christianity is Philosophy < philo-monk > 2025-02-28 07:14 Central to the Christian message is the Trinity, and the Soul, in addition there are the many other Greek Philosophical concepts introduced, which were not Jewish. What many people do not know is that there was a World War at the time of Christ, Rome had taken control of most all of the former Greek Empire. Christianity is a new faith for the new empire, it incorporates Judaism, Greek Philosophy, and the Zoroastrian end-times into one religion. The Ideal mix of belief for the new territories, a universal or Catholic state religion.
The most appealing aspects of Christianity come from Greek Philosophy
Here is a short take form Gemini
Logos (λόγος):
Greek Philosophy: Primarily associated with Stoicism, where Logos refers to the universal divine reason or principle that governs the cosmos. Heraclitus also used the term to represent the underlying rational order of the universe.
New Testament: In the Gospel of John, Logos is used to describe Jesus Christ as the divine Word, the creative principle through which all things were made (John 1:1). This usage reflects some Stoic ideas of a divine rational principle, but it is also transformed by the Christian understanding of a personal God.
Immortality of the Soul:
Greek Philosophy: Plato, in particular, argued for the soul's immortality, believing it to be distinct from the body and capable of existing independently.
New Testament: The concept of an eternal soul or spirit is present in the New Testament, although its understanding of the soul differs from Plato's. The New Testament focuses more on resurrection and eternal life rather than the souls natural immortality.
Virtue (ἀρετή):
Greek Philosophy: Aristotle and Plato both emphasized virtue as essential for a good life. They discussed various virtues, such as wisdom, courage, justice, and temperance.
New Testament: While the New Testament also emphasizes virtuous living, its concept of virtue is rooted in love, humility, and faith in God, rather than solely on rational excellence. The new testament also emphasizes the importance of Gods grace in obtaining virtue.
Dualism (Body vs. Soul/Spirit):
Greek Philosophy: Platonic philosophy, in particular, presented a dualistic view of reality, separating the material body from the immaterial soul.
New Testament: The New Testament also displays some dualistic tendencies, distinguishing between the flesh and the spirit. However, it's important to note that the New Testament's dualism is not identical to Plato's. The new testament does not view the body as inherently evil, as some gnostic interpretations of Greek philosophy would.
i'm sorry,'YET NO BUtS, my faithful friend; < 1-FellowTraveler > 2025-02-27 18:13 i gather my spirit within the house to which i worship, i'm led by the higher power to follow no man made doctrine.i call it philosophy for the sake of a better word. perhaps others shall join your congregational quest. -i'm already upon a spiritual path-
Is not everything we think man made? < philo-monk > 2025-02-28 07:32 Stupid is relative. A spiritual path is no different than a logical path to knowledge. You will find that the core of everything is metaphysical and unknowable, this is the basis of what the Skeptics believed and of Kant's argument that the only world we can know is the world created by the innate structure of our minds and thus reality “as it is in itself” is unknowable. "you are a slave ship of your own stupidity." aren't we all, what else can we do but engage in dialogue in an attempt to escape our stupidity.
i agree with most of your creative imagine; < 1-FellowTraveler > 2025-02-28 09:24 you share this thought; "you are a slave ship of your own stupidity." aren't we all, what else can we do but engage in dialogue in an attempt to escape our stupidity.......... that's all well and good. :-) yet why does such need to be a new "religion" i think there's enough of those going around already. -over to your spirit now-
why does such need to be a new "religion" < philo-monk > 2025-02-28 14:13 Because what we have is Judeo-Christian and this malicious. It took me about 20 years of study to understand the problem, There are several serious problems but we can start with that it is based on a myth. You may agree that we behave according to what we believe, and if what we believe is malicious we should at lest know why. Lets just compare the god of the old testament with that of the new. One is unknowable and askes his followers to be poor and turn the other cheek, the other is a jealous war god that runs a band of mercenaries. The Judeo-Christian faith is an algorithm for a master slave society, I suppose if you like a master slave society its all good. But why?
why do you feel i need conform to others ? < 1-FellowTraveler > 2025-02-28 09:32 i find you to be creatively interesting, yet aiming within your own mental conditioning like that of all humans. that is nothing creatively new, religiously or other wise. -over to your personal prayer-
Do not comform < philo-monk > 2025-02-28 14:21 I am not saying we need another story about god, what I am saying is that we can have a belief that is true and honest. What is wrong with accepting we do not know some things, and going to church for an open discussion on what is true and what is false. For example why deny evolution, why not embrace it. Why not say Moses is a myth, look at where Israel is, it is a defensive position at the gates to the most powerful economy and most educated people in the ancient world. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLv9AnU9qTJV3QT6j6nJnmGN8_CsmqJ3Yh
sounds like you want to start; < 1-FellowTraveler > 2025-02-28 16:41 a new 'start up' of an old path way which has not solved peace and harmony though out recorded history, are you bored or just trying to make a living. i'm fine with it either way, i'm simply curious about what's driving your faith, psychologically speaking. -peace-
Why I would like to start a relligion < philo-monk > 2025-03-01 07:01 I started in high school, first wanting to fix human suffering. In school I was attracted to entropy, why we exist, and why we evolve.
I worked most of my life on an economic solution to suffering. I became a landlord (slumlord) and would see what positive effect I could have on tenants. I realized that it people do not change easily and that this would require a larger wrench. So I sold my real estate and moved the experiment to South America where my funds would have a greater effect. About 20 years ago, through my continuing studies of entropy, I concluded that reality was deterministic, therefore there must be a God. I began to study religion and noticed its malicious nature. I concluded that we we are all enslaved, either to one another or to desire, and that belief is the only way to be free and change society for the better. I then began to note the flaws in our current belief, what the true history of it was, and what would be most effective belief to improve human existence.
I built a website to document the study https://www.historyreligionandtruth.com/
And wrote a book to explain the history and solution https://www.historyreligionandtruth.com/bible-story
