Platos Cave

The the Judeo/christian story in the place where Noah is said to have landed. From the peoples of the region surrounding Mount Ararat, in a time which is before Persia, would be the land of the Assyrians.  Not only is Noah depiected as coming from this religion but also Socrates. Alexander the Great, Macedonian, conquered the Greeks then Palestine, Egypt and Persia.  Persia was also the land of Mitani, Semitic lands where Noah came and Moses goes to.

Socrates never wrote anything, all was told to us by Plato. Therefore the Platonic tradition streches from Persia, the reagion where we find Noah.     

Plato's allegory of the cave, is found in the Republic. In it Plato gives us a view of social rule, and the concept of perfict forms. Understanding that comes from long before Alexander or Jesus Christ. A view of how an illusion or lie can be used to govern if upheld as truth. It describes how difficult it is to change what we have become accustom to.  

We are in this cave today, we live and breath the illusion, yet can't see it. If by chance we see through the illusion, others will see us as mad. If you wish to make a lie make it so big it's un seen by your people. 

 

 

The story in spoken form http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7W-Bmu3wo

The Allegory of the Cave

from http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/320/cave.htm

  1. Plato realizes that the general run of humankind can think, and speak, etc., without (so far as they acknowledge) any awareness of his realm of Forms.

     

  2. The allegory of the cave is supposed to explain this.

     

  3. In the allegory, Plato likens people untutored in the Theory of Forms to prisoners chained in a cave, unable to turn their heads. All they can see is the wall of the cave. Behind them burns a fire.  Between the fire and the prisoners there is a parapet, along which puppeteers can walk. The puppeteers, who are behind the prisoners, hold up puppets that cast shadows on the wall of the cave. The prisoners are unable to see these puppets, the real objects, that pass behind them. What the prisoners see and hear are shadows and echoes cast by objects that they do not see. Here is an illustration of Plato’s Cave:

     

     


    From Great Dialogues of Plato: Complete Texts of the Republic, Apology, Crito Phaido, Ion, and Meno, Vol. 1. (Warmington and Rouse, eds.) New York, Signet Classics: 1999. p. 316.

     

     

  4. Such prisoners would mistake appearance for reality. They would think the things they see on the wall (the shadows) were real; they would know nothing of the real causes of the shadows.

     

  5. So when the prisoners talk, what are they talking about? If an object (a book, let us say) is carried past behind them, and it casts a shadow on the wall, and a prisoner says “I see a book,” what is he talking about?

    He thinks he is talking about a book, but he is really talking about a shadow. But he uses the word “book.” What does that refer to?

     

  6. Plato gives his answer at line (515b2). The text here has puzzled many editors, and it has been frequently emended. The translation in Grube/Reeve gets the point correctly:

    “And if they could talk to one another, don’t you think they’d suppose that the names they used applied to the things they see passing before them?”

     

  7. Plato’s point is that the prisoners would be mistaken. For they would be taking the terms in their language to refer to the shadows that pass before their eyes, rather than (as is correct, in Plato’s view) to the real things that cast the shadows.

    If a prisoner says “That’s a book” he thinks that the word “book” refers to the very thing he is looking at. But he would be wrong. He’s only looking at a shadow. The real referent of the word “book” he cannot see. To see it, he would have to turn his head around.

     

  8. Plato’s point: the general terms of our language are not “names” of the physical objects that we can see. They are actually names of things that we cannot see, things that we can only grasp with the mind.

     

  9. When the prisoners are released, they can turn their heads and see the real objects. Then they realize their error. What can we do that is analogous to turning our heads and seeing the causes of the shadows? We can come to grasp the Forms with our minds.

     

  10. Plato’s aim in the Republic is to describe what is necessary for us to achieve this reflective understanding. But even without it, it remains true that our very ability to think and to speak depends on the Forms. For the terms of the language we use get their meaning by “naming” the Forms that the objects we perceive participate in.

     

  11. The prisoners may learn what a book is by their experience with shadows of books. But they would be mistaken if they thought that the word “book” refers to something that any of them has ever seen.

    Likewise, we may acquire concepts by our perceptual experience of physical objects. But we would be mistaken if we thought that the concepts that we grasp were on the same level as the things we perceive